See reader comment at the end. lee
The next board meeting is November 3. I did not attend the last two, but I will go to this meeting and print out a copy of my reader's letter below and hand it to one of the people at the end of the board to pass to the board members.
I want them to confront how dismal is the public attitude toward their behavior. Watch and see how I do at this attempt to shame them. lee
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There is no one to turn to when you want to report unethical behavior of school board members or administrators. They can bully all they want and get away with it. They can, and they do. This has been going on for years. The governor or Education Commissioner will tell you to go up the chain of command in the district. When you do that you get the runaround. A bunch of criminals is what they are. The longest standing school board members Carol Kurdell and Candy Olson know how corrupt things are, and they do nothing. Pulling a homeless person off the street and putting him on the board would be more effective than having those two on there.
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Priscilla Ryan is a name every teacher has to remember. Lee says the judge thought she wasn't good, but she still won. If she can win against Gonzalez and the tons of taxpayer dollars he has to drag things out, she must be halfway decent. She must have ethics. Everyone remember her name and look her up when your turn comes to having your name, reputation, and career ruined by the crooks in the school district administration.
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Posted by Anonymous to Lee Drury De Cesare's Casting-Room Couch at 3:58 AM
Tom Gonzalez is not a good lawyer. He is slipshod and doesn't do his homework for the $275,000 yearly that the taxpayers pay him to sit on the dais with his brain in idle mode. He is not smart. I think his IQ would show him merely average. He's also lazy.
But the board, who is intimidated by Gonzalez because he is a lawyer, for God's sake, does not have the nerve to ask him questions such as why he didn't advise the board to take out sufficient insurance to cover the cost of the a new school's entire wall's falling down or why he didn't read the Sheriff's assessment of both Goader's and the Toe Clicker's investigations before blabbing on the podium that only the Toe Clicker's said he was ok. Nobody nailed Gonzalez on either of these mistakes; nobody nails him on anything. I ask for his firing on the podium every once in a while. But they all conveniently label me crazy. Anybody who has advanced the human race in any way or degree is labeled crazy. Look at Galileo for starters.
I think Gonzalez is scared of Ms. Elia, as most people are. He knows she holds the key to his job. If she told the board to hire a new attorney, Gonzalez would be sent packing by those gutless twits.
I am encouraged by the way that I have heard no more rumors of Ms. Elia's cursing people out ever since I brought up this matter in memos to her and in statements on the podium.
I bought another copy of Death by Educaation, Wiesner's book on the county school system. Bart Birdsall called my attention to it several years ago. Wiesner too won his case against the board, but when he returned, Lennard, who came up from the basement's vo-tech department to blossom as superintendent thanks to the complicit board, sent Wiesner to teach prisoners although he still drew his same salary that he made before the case. He finally gave up on the school system and left. I have not been able to track him down.
I am sure Mr. Erwin would have gotten the same post-trial torture as did Wiesner if not worse after his won his case if he had resumed his job instead of fleeing to Georgia.
The administration uses psychological terror in its most basic forms, and they don't get defeated in the long run because nobody holds their feet to the fire. One irate granny is not enough people to storm the dais barricades in the board room. Sometimes I think I would spend my time better by nagging my old man to sell this beach condo, now worth a fortune after we bought it for a song 25 years ago, and go live in Manhattan so that I could go the opera, museums, theater, and Bergdorf's in my declining years. But then I would be too far from all my Florida-based grandchildren and the high excitement of Hillsborough County board meetings.
lee
21 comments:
Are you going to provide the poster's name to the board? Normally you rail against anonymous blather.
STFU john d, you moronic mfer.
Lee, the name Priscilla Ryan if you google it brings up a local phone number AND law office. I am the one who provided you the name. You must google doug erwin priscilla ryan every day so that it will start to pop up in the first pages again, I guess. I had a helluva time finding it just a few years after this happened. I had to go back like six pages through 'google' hits. Well, she MAY have moved ... this florida bar member search lists a lutz address but previously her number popped up with 839- denoting south tampa. Interesting middle or maiden name : Marbury ... brings to mind marbury v madison.
John D. would love for people to be revealed instead of staying anonymous. He probably loves the idea of teachers being tortured in Professional Standards for petty reasons. He obviously believes big wigs need protecting while the financially poor peons get beaten down by the big wigs.
As I wrote, it is Lee who usually rails against anonymous posters. You people can't read.
No, Vox, YOU shut the fuck up. Don't call me a motherfucker either, you gutless sack of shit. Is that the best you've got? I hope that Lee reads your comments out at the next board meeting. I might submit my own letter to the board outlining my views on the calibre of Lee's posters.
john d is an anti-american. Along the lines of David Gee, Hillsborough County Sheriff. He believes, like the sheriff that everything is HIS business. Or someone's. So that they can then target the individual. Which is REALLY what Florida excels at. We are surely atop the national heap in harassment, pettiness and selective prosecution and other lovely attributes. However, as Sheriff Gee was shown BY his LOSS IN COURT over the leoaffairs website and as I love to point out to John D(ufus) free speech and also the anonymity thereof are ENSHRINED in the Constiturion of the United States of America.
So there, john_d
I think that many of these people are actual sadists. It makes them feel better about their miserable lil selves to get together AS A GANG and throttle others one by one.
I'm going to post this anonymously.
BECAUSE I CAN.
whew john d, that really hurts. You go right ahead. You have no purpose here nor do you add to the discussion in any way. My Grandpa taught me to call a spade a spade. You're a moron. Go get a life of your own.
You started it, you big baby.
You can call ME all the names you want. I daresay none of them will apply any more than your asinine comments. So chew on that. I stand by my words and I feel certain they DO apply to your ummm situation.
Dear Lee,
I never have to call John a name again. I'm normally above that behavior, reserving it for the most vile among us. John_d is probably NOT the most vile among us. Just boring. Going about his pedantic haranguing in a stagnant fashion and insulting you, the Constitution and anyone who happens by. He never admitted he was wrong with all that tripe, he said-she said about goader's blog and who put what where. He just wants to drag things down into semantics and redundant chit chatter.
I do apologize for the fact that the above behavior did irritate me along with something he said about you in a post long forgotten.
Hence, the potty mouth ensued.
Reduncancy bores me. Then I get irritated and when I see someone attacked for merely expressing their thoughts ...
He can email me and curse me roundly all day any day. And night too, if he/she likes.
I won't waste your time keeping an eye on me. I can curb vulgarity with the best of the private-school educated. Sometimes it just feels REALLY REALLY good.
At any rate, I would love to hold john_d's calibre up next to my own. Unfortuanately, every time the school 'board' of 'intellectuals' holds a hot-air-balloon-filler meeting I am otherwise OCCUPIED. On November 3, my presence is required elsewhere as scheduled for months. I know that the school board plans it this way. So only a FEW can make it. It's diabolical
I bet if a cat needed kicked or a child needed his education derailed by bullies, john_d could free up his schedule in a thrice.
john_d if you'd care to curse me in email you feel free, you big brave manly man.
Stop picking on lee.
Do you NOT get that she defends CHILDREN??? Educational freedom? Intellectual prowess? Everything that's good about the world?
I apologixe for calling you a moron. I still think you are one but I'll do my best to refrain from addressing your more pedantic points with vulgarity in the future to keep Lee's time free for the important things.
How about you?
What are YOUR important things?? Besides putting your dainty foot in the way of good stuff?
It boils down to the fact that Lee's blog is anti-administration and pro-teacher. John D. doesn't seem to understand that. If he wants to improve the site, he should give feedback like we need to provide research or whatever. No, he just wants to cut down the site, even though it is one of the few venting places for poor teachers who are bullied by the administration. I don't think he gets that. Even if Lee gets a few facts wrong, administrators could post and correct her, and she actually posts things that people have written her correcting her. He doesn't explain why he has a problem with the site. I would like to know that. I would also like him to answer this:
Do you want school district administration to bully teachers? If not, what do you think of much of the CONTENT of Lee's blog?
>Do you want school district administration to bully teachers? If not, what do you think of much of the CONTENT of Lee's blog?<
I find it hypocritical, Anonymous. Lee is a bully herself.
>john d is an anti-american<
Rubbish, vox. Where did you pull that from?
>You have no purpose here nor do you add to the discussion in any way.<
Seriously, Vox, how do you or many of the posters here add to the discussion? "Yeah, they're all criminals! Homeless people could do better!" You're kidding, right? Moron, big baby, John D(ufus) - more name-calling? Is that your contribution?
>I stand by my words and I feel certain they DO apply to your ummm situation... I do apologize for the fact that the above behavior did irritate me along with something he said about you in a post long forgotten. <
Vox, your apology is as hollow as your head! And then you justify your vulgarity by saying that it feels really really good.
>I'm normally above that behavior, reserving it for the most vile among us. John_d is probably NOT the most vile among us.<
You're right here, Vox. I've seen your blogs, and the most vile person around here is you. If you're a teacher, I'm effing scared for your students.
>Even if Lee gets a few facts wrong, administrators could post and correct her, and she actually posts things that people have written her correcting her. <
This is rubbish. Lee kept harping about the $340 per hour pay rate long after administration and a few posters set her straight.
>He never admitted he was wrong with all that tripe, he said-she said about goader's blog and who put what where. <
Why should I admit I was wrong? I don't believe that the design purpose for coax cable is to restrain students with a cinch-free knot. Do YOU?
um you were wrong. AND you're WRONG AGAIN. I'm not the one who said that. *yeah, they're all criminals. Homeless people could do better.
Now, before you start some endless, vapid discussion on he said she said yada yada blah blah blah HERE IS THE ONLY ANSWER> FROM ME. I DID NOT SAY THAT.
SO, here's a good point. Your arguments are at least thirty percent wrong giving you the benefit of the doubt at some point.
Oh rubbish and cribbish. You can't get much more Anti American than TRYING TO PICK APART THE CONSTITUTION.
Where, if you read it ... brilliant he/she you will find that anonymous speech is ENSHRINED THEREIN.
So, if you are against the constitution bada bing you are ANTI AMERICAN.
Next you will tell me to move somewhere else if I don't like it here.
Predictable.
I wouldn't talk to boring people in person for long. They're not good talkers and they're NOT good listeners.
AND your arguments are all marked flimsy because they are UNRELIABLE.
If you can't be relied upon to attribute information and quotes correctly than you are the same thing (BUT AT A MUCH WORSE PERCENTAGE RATE) that you accuse lee of being.
For the record or FTR I rarely if ever see her get much wrong.
I honestly think you should perhaps hire a maid with a happy ending.
And get your ummm facts and quotes straight.
You can't drag this one on and on and back and forth between blogs because, guess what??? I DID NOT SAY IT. END OF STORY.
Call 1-800-happy-ending. If you have the money.
john_D do you GET OUT??? feels really REALLY GOOD. WAS A JOKE. wow.
get out more.
and, um, finally. You are not in charge.
Of what is vile.
Or anything else.
LMAO.
burrito with happy ending.
that's a joke, too.
See if your brilliant mind can like ummmm GIT IT.
you have to keep UP john_DDDDDD
or you'll wither and become inconsequential.
Oh wait.
Too late for that.
rofl.
John d., throughout history people in power or in the power cliques have bullied those who are not. Lee turns the table on those people so they (like you) cry, "Boo hoo! I'm being bullied!" they can dish it out but they can't take it!
>Now, before you start some endless, vapid discussion on he said she said yada yada blah blah blah HERE IS THE ONLY ANSWER> FROM ME. I DID NOT SAY THAT. <
So before I start the he said / she said discussion, you will? Riiiggght!
Here's my only answer: I was writing about "you and other posters". Go and read it. I cited another poster's "homeless" crack and then I cited your name-calling. I guess I'm back to 100%, hey? I don't know where you pulled 30% from, even with your flawed logic.
Your constitutional rambling is embarrassing. I have never said that I am against anonymous posting. Rather, I said that Lee rails against it.
>for the record or FTR I rarely if ever see her get much wrong.<
No, you don't see much at all.
>feels really REALLY GOOD. WAS A JOKE. wow.<
Oh, so you DID say that! Thank you.
>Lee turns the table on those people so they (like you) cry, "Boo hoo! I'm being bullied!" they can dish it out but they can't take it!<
Perhaps you could look back and see why I came to Lee's blogs in the first place. Lee's dishing it out but not taking it was the reason I started my Antigrammargrinch blog.
By the way, your post is a run-on sentence, which is a felony. ;)
John and Vox: Knock off the back and forth. It's tiresome. If you cannot control yourselves, I will not publish your comments. lee
Lee, how tiresome do you think some of your posts become? The your/you're cracks, the $340 per day/hour rot, the mullet hairdo insults, and the same old "Earl the Pearl", "Mileto the Munchkin" and "Pole-Girl Elia" name-calling (satire?) wore thin. I'm sick of reading about your shoes and how everyone who isn't a teacher is illiterate. You want to give a letter to the board outlining that a homeless person would be an improvement, yet you have slammed Home Ec degrees for months.
I'm telling you that it becomes tiresome. This is fine if you keep it to your blog, but how tiresome do you think it becomes for those who receive your emails en masse? Although it's your prerogative to write it on your blog, you seem to think it's okay to hassle everyone else with your tiresome unsolicited "satire".
Oh, I can knock off the back and forth with Vox easily. I would like nothing more than to have the original question answered (or even stony silience like I usually receive) rather than having profanities hurled at me. But if I hadn't stood up and told Vox where to go right back at her, I don't think you would have said a word.
Meanwhile, I get told I'm un-American and unconstitutional. Perhaps if you'd told Vox to lay off in the first place, much of the back and forth could have been avoided.
>I apologixe for calling you a moron. I still think you are one<
Then you just called me one again, didn't you, Vox? Your apologies count for nothing.
>john_d if you'd care to curse me in email you feel free, you big brave manly man.<
I'll move this away from this blog as Lee has requested and accept your offer, Vox. What is your email address?
You can also feel free to call me a moron at
http://antigrammargrinch.blogspot.com/
so the whole world can read it if they choose.
I just find it bizaare that someone wants to read a blog that upsets him. John D., are you married to one of the people Lee gets onto? Are you one of Lee's targets and John D. is a fake name? What gives? If Lee's blog is tiresome, stop reading it. If you have received emails from her, in the future, you can delete without opening, if the emails are tiresome.
You have every right to post comments, and that is fine, but I would still like to know your view on administration bullying of teachers. Do you think some of what Lee reports might be true? If so, what do you think about what some of these top officials do? The whole point of this blog is that Lee is exposing wrongdoing by the top dogs. Do you like the top dogs getting away with murder?
>I would still like to know your view on administration bullying of teachers.<
And I would like your view on Lee's repeated name-calling, error-ridden information and grammar/punctuation hypocrisy. I'd also like someone's opinion on my simple query about providing the poster's name to the board. Your opinion will suffice, anon.
You go first. Please.
You find it bizarre that I would read a blog that upsets me? Why would teachers front up every day if they are being bullied? Perhaps it's similar logic. Who knows?
You ask why teachers work even when being bullied. Why do kids being bullied allow it to happen? It is a philosophical question.
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